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12/17/2007

Ceiling Fan Capacitor Woes

When we moved, the house we moved into did not have forced air circulation or heating, so in order to circulate the warm air from the single wall heater into the various rooms, we installed 4 ceiling fans about 8 years ago, one in each room, and one in the central hallway, which is closest to the wall heater. One of the issues we’ve encountered over the years with these 3-speed reversible ceiling fans is the fact they have speed-control capacitors that occasionally burn out. So far, it has always been one of the two in control of the lowest speed circuit, which uses the least power when it’s working properly, and it’s also the speed that the fan is operating on most of the time it’s on. The factory module is an integrated three-in-one unit, molded into a single, insulated plastic housing, with five wires. These fans are now about 7- or 8-years old.

While on our monthly grocery shopping trip, we stopped by the store where we purchased the fans. They either no longer carried these replacement capacitors, or never carried them in the first place.

The home center, sometimes referred to as a mega-store, did have wall-mount speed controls, and had I desired to cut a hole in the wall, install an electrical box, the necessary wiring to the fan, patch the drywall and paint, as well as spend the additional time to accomplish all of that, then perhaps those types of speed controls could be retrofitted into the existing system, but I just wanted a replacement module for the burned out capacitor so the repair was quick and simple, nor involved replacing the rest of the perfectly fine ceiling fan.

At the mega-store, after looking for replacements on the shelf and not being able to locate them, I then spoke to the employee in the fan department, who said, “No, we don’t carry them,” but added that he’d been trying to get management to stock them and hadn’t had any luck.

I went to the customer service desk, and looked through their supply book for some period of time, checking multiple cross-references in its index. Nope, there were no in-the-fan-housing capacitor modules to be found.

Later that evening after we got back home and unpacked the groceries, I searched the Internet, and found several online suppliers.

  1. Replacement ceiling fan capacitors supplier site 1.

  2. Replacement ceiling fan capacitors supplier site 2.

In studying those two sites above, it is apparent from the latter one that even though the modules are rated by the two, three, or four capacitors they contain, the schematics and internal wiring also have several variations. This would affect installation of a replacement. Since the type we need has two wires internally connected to one side of all three capacitors according to the on-the-module schematic, some of the four-wire type that don’t appear to match should work provided I wire them into the rest of the fan’s wiring in such a way to simulate that internal connection.

It appears that a number of differently rated modules could be installed. The exact same values as the failed unit are probably best provided those values are printed on the outside of the bad module. In our case they were: 5-wire, 4uf + 4uf + 5uf; the second fan is 4uf + 5uf + 5uf; “uf” means micro farad, a value of capacitance. No module replacements seem to match those values exactly in 5-wire, and it’s cautioned that the capacitance value can only vary by +/- 1uf. The repair question morphs again, complicating matters: do we want a slightly slower fan speed, or slightly faster, and which farad value, either an increase or a decrease, achieves each?

For a slightly slower speed it appears we’ll need a lower capacitance value: for a higher speed, a higher capacitance value. Apparently, a shorted or solid wire approaches infinite capacitance (MS word doc).

This is confirmed by the schematic logic in the links below. Perhaps it would be better to just replace the single one that has blown:

  1. Single ceiling fan capacitors supplier site 3.

This is an interesting repair option, and in our fan’s case of a factory three-in-one module, it would likely and initially require installation of three single capacitors due to the fan-case space limitation of keeping the old module in addition to the replacement: the bad one can’t singly be removed. Unfortunately, at the time of this writing, these “single capacitors” may not have the correct rating, their catalog is using an “m” (milli) instead of a “u” (micro). This is possibly a typo related to the computer age’s typical use of ASCII, the actual, old-fashioned character for micro is “µ”.

Another question arises: is there enough room in the fan’s case, or, what physical size are these single capacitors? One attraction of these is that once the three-in-one module is replaced with three single ones, and properly wired into the rest of the fan, should any ever blow again in the future, only the single blown ones will require replacement. One downside of this is that they are not available in fractional microfarad values, should one of those be desired for any reason. Another downside is that the supplier only has values of 1-5 “m”fd, no 6 or 7, so this will not work for one of the fans which I want to very slightly increase the hi speed, and increase the low and medium speed, unless an extra one is added in parallel: then there would be additional housing-space requirements.

For those who may need additional ceiling-fan repair instruction:

  1. General ceiling fan repair with photos, repair information, and wiring schematic.

  2. Schematic diagram of reversible 3-speed ceiling-fans.

While I won’t be installing a variable speed controller, it is nice to know one could be built from scratch, if desired:

  1. Variable speed ceiling fan control.

Some online sources claim the variable type of speed controller sometimes cause humming or buzzing while the fan is in operation.

Perhaps it goes without saying, but I spent several hours online learning more about ceiling fan capacitors than I ever wanted to know! I’ve actually created a spreadsheet and, assuming the generic schematic (scroll down, two different ones on page) that may match our fan, attempted to mathematically simulate the capacitance difference between the two motor inductance coils, since there are so many possible capacitance value combinations possible that feed these coils.

While it’s always nice to learn something new, if you have the time, these blown speed-control modules should have been a simple-to-replace item, but it’s become slightly more complicated than simple!

This has become a two-part topic, the next post is a continuation: Ceiling Fan Capacitor Solutions.

I’m sure there are a lot of other sources of ceiling-fan capacitors, and if I didn’t find yours: so sorry.


General electronic references:
Capacitors in series and parallel.
Schematic Symbols site 1.
Schematic Symbols site 2.
Capacitors.

Electronic Abbreviations site 1.
Electronic Abbreviations site 2.

Capacitor suppliers not listed above:
Ceiling Fan Capacitor supplier site 4.

Ceiling fan capacitor manufacturer information:
PDF - NTE ceiling fan capacitors

File: — Ken @ 8:40 pm PST, 12/17/07

11 Comments »

  1. Ceiling Fan Capacitor Solutions

    Repairing some ceiling fans’ capacitors and slowing down the speeds by altering the capacitors’ values. …

    Trackback by Conscious Junkyard — 12/28/2007 @ 10:30 pm

  2. Electrical items in the home often tend to give problems. Getting spares for them may also be an issue at times. But if you could get them and adjust them according to our needs then its fun! What a Great story!

    Comment by Tim Warnoch — 1/29/2008 @ 10:44 pm

  3. Thank you for pointing that out Tim.

    Sometimes it’s so easy to get caught up in the puzzle or complication, which requires a particular mindset to unravel, and another mindset to record or write down, that we may forget we are having fun, forget to note that we are experiencing joy!

    Comment by Ken — 1/30/2008 @ 11:05 am

  4. I ran across this blog entry about ceiling fans. With the exception of some spam that has been published in the comments section, it’s nevertheless, IMO, a cute story, with a quite-true underlying theme of various construction issues related to ceiling fan installation.

    Comment by Ken — 2/3/2008 @ 12:27 pm

  5. “They either no longer carried these replacement capacitors, or never carried them in the first place.” - When buying household items we need to find if the spares are available for them or else we may have tough time finding them.

    Comment by Russell Renovator Freeman — 3/9/2008 @ 8:24 pm

  6. I found the capicitor that I needed for my Harbor Breeze fan (which I had purchased from Lowe’s) by calling my Lowe’s and asking them for a 1-800 number for Harbor Breeze. It is made by the Litex company. The number I called was: 1-800-527-1292 and I told the operator that I was looking for replacement parts for my Harbor Breeze fan. Whille I was on hold,they said they will ask for the model number which is located on top of the motor, then they took my name, address and phone number and the model number of my Harbor Breeze fan and said they would have a capacitor to me within 7 to 10 working days, at no charge to me. I had run myself ragged looking at Lowes, Home Depot, Sutherlands and several of my local hardware stores. Hopes this helps someone.

    Comment by Maw — 6/13/2008 @ 2:51 pm

  7. I agree with the idea that it is very hard to find parts for fans. Whenever a fan breats down it seems to be the end of it. It also depends on the manufacturer of the fan. It seems that the more expensive the ceiling fan or every other fan it becomes easier to get parts.

    Comment by Discount ceiling fans — 6/19/2008 @ 10:10 am

  8. if you need some help to install the ceiling fans, or to buy some i did a prominent google search for you using the search General Contractors. You can definitely ask questions or get someone to help you through any of the websites there.

    Comment by Anonymous — 7/10/2008 @ 12:13 pm

  9. Hopes this helps someone.(Quoting Maw)

    I just wanted to post to let “Maw” (Post #6) know that “her” information was quite valuable to me. My Harbar Breeze fan started smoking one night all of the sudden. While replacing the fan, I noticed that the capacitor was what failed. During an internet search on capacitors I found this web site which had “Maw’s” post. I called the number she posted for Litex and they are sending me a replacement free of charge in 7 to 10 days. The only additional information they required beside the model number was an “E” number that was also listed on the fan motor.

    Thanks Maw!

    Comment by Eric — 7/28/2008 @ 7:38 am

  10. Many thanks indeed for your information on the ceiling fan capacitors. Lowes and Home Depot were not able to help us. They simply said we don’t carry them and cannot help!!!!! It seems supplier site 1 is good but expensive it may cost upto 32 dollars for a single capacitor!!!!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — 7/28/2008 @ 7:14 pm

  11. Only the two-wire capacitors at supplier site #1 appear as single capacitors, others they list are “single modules” that are essentially a bank of several capacitors, some are two capacitors, others three capacitors, and some with four capacitors. It’s nice to have the option to replace the entire module, rather than the somewhat obscure method I used which required some rewiring, as it makes for a much easier repair. If the factory is willing to send replacement modules for free as some posters have said, perhaps because of some kind of warranty, then that’s probably the lowest-cost method.

    Comment by Ken — 8/14/2008 @ 11:05 am

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