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	<title>Comments on: Part 2: Experimenting with Bread Dough Process</title>
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		<title>By: Medytacyjna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medytacyjna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s a long process but its worth it. Thanks for sharing!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a long process but its worth it. Thanks for sharing!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ken L. Klaser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken L. Klaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 07:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I noticed that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baking911.com/bread/101_ingredients_doughenhancers.htm&quot;&gt;baking911.com has a nice general information page about dough conditioners&lt;/a&gt;.  I find myself continuing to wonder about ascorbic acid&#039;s use in bread.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If old dough wasn&#039;t used in the formula and if Vit. C were added during one of the later process steps it doesn&#039;t seem it could hurt sponge enzyme activity, though how to dissolve the granules might be an issue unless base formula water was reserved for the purpose.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s a good, if at times cryptic, thread at &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?/topic/44841-ascorbic-acid/&quot;&gt;egullet.org about ascorbic acid&lt;/a&gt;. That thread mentions some of Calvel&#039;s dough formulas used it.  It&#039;s not clear to me whether said formulas are in The Taste of Bread, though that&#039;s my guess.  The discussion seems to obliquely reference processes with characteristics similar to Chorleywood without naming them, and hints there may be a longstanding process schism among published experts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are also some reasonably specific thoughts on how one might use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/7416/ascorbic-acid#comment-37640&quot;&gt;ascorbic acid over at The Fresh Loaf.&lt;/a&gt;  The same thread says: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/7416/ascorbic-acid#comment-37689&quot;&gt; &quot;20 ppm (white or cake flour) and 50-60 ppm (whole wheat flour)&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, whereas HRUŠKOVÁ1 and NOVOTNÁ2 (pdf study linked in prior comment) appear to have studied 10ppm.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that <a href="http://www.baking911.com/bread/101_ingredients_doughenhancers.htm">baking911.com has a nice general information page about dough conditioners</a>.  I find myself continuing to wonder about ascorbic acid&#8217;s use in bread.</p>

<p>If old dough wasn&#8217;t used in the formula and if Vit. C were added during one of the later process steps it doesn&#8217;t seem it could hurt sponge enzyme activity, though how to dissolve the granules might be an issue unless base formula water was reserved for the purpose.</p>

<p>There&#8217;s a good, if at times cryptic, thread at <a href="http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?/topic/44841-ascorbic-acid/">egullet.org about ascorbic acid</a>. That thread mentions some of Calvel&#8217;s dough formulas used it.  It&#8217;s not clear to me whether said formulas are in The Taste of Bread, though that&#8217;s my guess.  The discussion seems to obliquely reference processes with characteristics similar to Chorleywood without naming them, and hints there may be a longstanding process schism among published experts.</p>

<p>There are also some reasonably specific thoughts on how one might use <a href="http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/7416/ascorbic-acid#comment-37640">ascorbic acid over at The Fresh Loaf.</a>  The same thread says: <a href="http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/7416/ascorbic-acid#comment-37689"> &#8220;20 ppm (white or cake flour) and 50-60 ppm (whole wheat flour)&#8221;</a>, whereas HRUŠKOVÁ1 and NOVOTNÁ2 (pdf study linked in prior comment) appear to have studied 10ppm.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ken L. Klaser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken L. Klaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for asking that question when you did, the timing of it was good relative to search engine results: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cazv.cz/2003/CJFS4_03/3-Hruskova-Novotna.pdf&quot;&gt;wheat bread study as PDF: &quot;Why is ascorbic acid added &lt;/a&gt;...&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know anything about the Chorleywood Process except what little I&#039;ve run across online.  If I recall correctly, it is a shorter-time dough-process which is manufactured and kneaded using automated factory machines.  A search indicates Cauvain and Young wrote a book with the process name in the title that is said to explain the process in some detail, but I&#039;m sorry to report books by those authors are too pricy for me, though it looks like they (same authors have other baking titles) have some fabulous information.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ascorbic acid is often referred to as a dough conditioner, which as far as I&#039;ve been able to gather allows the simulation of longer-fermented doughs in shorter-fermentation processes with respect to the baked product.  I would guess that as an acid, it would also have something of a preserving and/or mold-inhibiting effect, perhaps similar to what I&#039;ve found with vinegar (acetic acid).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for asking that question when you did, the timing of it was good relative to search engine results: <a href="http://www.cazv.cz/2003/CJFS4_03/3-Hruskova-Novotna.pdf">wheat bread study as PDF: &#8220;Why is ascorbic acid added </a>&#8230;&#8221;?</p>

<p>I don&#8217;t know anything about the Chorleywood Process except what little I&#8217;ve run across online.  If I recall correctly, it is a shorter-time dough-process which is manufactured and kneaded using automated factory machines.  A search indicates Cauvain and Young wrote a book with the process name in the title that is said to explain the process in some detail, but I&#8217;m sorry to report books by those authors are too pricy for me, though it looks like they (same authors have other baking titles) have some fabulous information.</p>

<p>Ascorbic acid is often referred to as a dough conditioner, which as far as I&#8217;ve been able to gather allows the simulation of longer-fermented doughs in shorter-fermentation processes with respect to the baked product.  I would guess that as an acid, it would also have something of a preserving and/or mold-inhibiting effect, perhaps similar to what I&#8217;ve found with vinegar (acetic acid).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: fishing</title>
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		<dc:creator>fishing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very Great describe!Why is ascorbic acid added to bread dough during the chorleywood process?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very Great describe!Why is ascorbic acid added to bread dough during the chorleywood process?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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